some exotic Stage 1 in Germany

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Re: some exotic Stage 1 in Germany

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Mik wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:20 pm Looks fantastic Frank - didn't you sell the HCPU?
Hi Michael

yes, I sold the "Big Smurf". A new project was pending and I ran out of space ...





Here are a few more pictures of the "Honecker" being used appropriately.

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Then, as announced, the next exotic:
Stage 1 HCPU called "Big Smurf" Image

Then I want to introduce you to the Big Smurf. I was able to buy the car from a second owner in late 2013. The car was used by a construction company in southern England from 1982 to 2010.
The HCPU V8 is something really rare. According to my research, only 27 pieces were built and most of them were certainly worn out by hard use.

The Big Smurf is in really good condition. No extensive work is therefore necessary.
I have the original service booklet and most of the MOT reports. It can be seen that the car was used more often in the first few years, but still regularly.
So in 31 years a mileage of approx. 100,000 km has come together. He has completed the overpass of approx. 400km without mudslides.

Restoration is not the order of the day. But there is certainly one thing or another to be done.

Ultimately, the idea is to turn the thing into a small RV with a living room (as far as the original plan)


Pictures from the first visit as found:

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.... you can't complain about that ?!

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14 days later, collection was announced:
But first of all, all oils are checked or refilled and the grease nipples are polished. :D

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The mounted tires were original in the truest sense of the word and have the date of manufacture 1981> OEM quality <. Image

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So quickly assemble the bikes you brought with you.

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...and let's go!

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The fat man unrolled the almost 400km at speeds around 100km / h without grumbling.
... and so the Honecker has a garage neighbor!

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I struggled for a long time whether I should leave the stickers on or not. Since there was only one part left anyway, the decision was made to put things away. Wasn't that easy, after more than 30 years the bond was already very close: O)

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... and then I found a suitable cabin. This turned the Landy into a small mobile home.

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... here are some pictures from inside the living room.

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Since the Shorty project is about to begin (> the car presented first in this thread), the HCPU V8 waited until it was found until it was found.

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Well, the Shorty was finished sometime and the Big Smurf was still waiting for the things to come.
As life goes, the opportunity arose to buy a Stage 1 that is even rarer than the HCPU.
Unfortunately there was no space and the Big Smurf had to make way for the new acquisition. The buyer wanted it for his private museum.

The Smurf was allowed to show what he can do again. The V8 got an oil and filter change. A few drops of contact spray on the ignition cables and some windscreen cleaner on the windows.
The on-board tools including a few spare parts were moved to the trunk of the escort for safety. The original wheels with tires in OEM quality> production date 1981 were balanced on the loading area ... there were two more pictures for the photo album.

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As expected, the transfer (approx. 350km) went without any incidents. With a little over 100 km / h Ø we arrived in the late morning (an extended coffee break was of course also possible) from our destination.
The buyer was amazed. He didn't expect me to find the Smurf on its own axes. But I told him that he had bought a good car ... he probably didn't believe me. ;)

The premises for the private museum that the Smurf is allowed to enrich are great. Many exhibits are already ready ... that will!


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I am sure the Smurf has come into good hands. Image



greeting
Frank


PS: ... and now you can guess which stage 1 justifies selling a HCPU? Image
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Re: some exotic Stage 1 in Germany

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PS: ... and now you can guess which stage 1 justifies selling a HCPU?

...if nobody has an idea, here's an appetizer! Image


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Re: some exotic Stage 1 in Germany

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Holy crap that's nice! The safari truck cap roof is nearly rarer than the 6 wheel ;) is it 6x4 or 6x6? Sandringham?
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Re: some exotic Stage 1 in Germany

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On a side note - can you recommend any Exmoor Trim dealers in Germany?
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Re: some exotic Stage 1 in Germany

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Mik wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:02 pm On a side note - can you recommend any Exmoor Trim dealers in Germany?
Hi Michael,

You've got a message

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Re: some exotic Stage 1 in Germany

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In 2014 I heard about a Sandringham 6 V8 near me. The restoration had started well, but stalled. I took a look at it and expressed interest. But the owner didn't want to sell.
But I was persistent and in 2018 the time had come.


Here are some pictures. So the Stage One excluded 6x6 in 2005.

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Due to the broken restoration, it was of course not a car but a big puzzle.
Pick up:

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The purchase was foreseeable for a long time, but then came very inconvenient. I had other things to do and couldn't finish the 6x6. So everything was stored.

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... don't worry, the chassis is not crooked!
The Sandy is so long that the wide-angle lens is not enough and I have composed the photo from three pictures.

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Re: some exotic Stage 1 in Germany

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That looks like a proper project Frank! Keep up the good job and all the great pictures
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Re: some exotic Stage 1 in Germany

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Mik wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:53 pm That looks like a proper project Frank! Keep up the good job and all the great pictures
Hi Michael,

it doesn't just look like a real project, it is one :lol:









...for those interested, a look at the chassis:

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The front area is not very puzzling. Everything is standard stage one.

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It starts from the middle. I think the base was a Stage One HT. The frame was shortened just behind the gearbox brackets and welded with reinforcements.

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... then it gets wild :(

The leaf spring mounts of the central axis is something special. Likewise the upper shock absorber mount.

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The 2nd axle has the spring track on the outside like on the 109. The springs are probably 109 standard from behind.

The 3rd axis has the spring track inside like on the 88. Short leaf springs are installed as normal on the front axle. I think it's softer. The 2nd axis therefore bears the main load. When cornering, the 3rd axle grinds what should make the car more manageable.

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... a piece is inserted in the back. The rear overhang is slightly shorter than that of the 109

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Both axes also have "Helper Springs". The device also has a 2t payload! In the picture the rubber springs are missing but the pictures are easy to see.

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Here's something about the powertrain:


Front 1:1 stage one.

A propshaft leads from the LT95 to the intermediate gear which is integrated in the 2nd axis. Unfortunately this is "only" a rover axle. :(
The power is given to the intermediate gear above. Distributes itself in the gearbox on the 2nd axis and comes out on the back of the diff. Bell in the form of a gimbal flange. A short stub shaft drive leads to the 3rd axis.

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... so far the 6x6 basic course picture :)


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Re: some exotic Stage 1 in Germany

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Very cool Frank
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Re: some exotic Stage 1 in Germany

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... then we want to do "bodybuilding".

I have the complete body. So front including truck cap and separate platform and the parts are all already painted!

>> But I don't need a car like that. I want a full body! Image




The shipping company brought me a small package.

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A lower tailgate was also there ... without the typical damage caused by the trailer hitch.

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Another has been waiting in the fund for some time.

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The Substan of the second tub is very good ... BUT, in an attack of vandalism someone has removed the partition.
If I install this in the 6x6, you can see later in the construction whether the last corner was a left or a right curve

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... the vandal has also made a few cutouts. What should they be good for?

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... and then there was the air raid Image

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How are the next steps to make the two tubs 6x6 compatible.



The rear side must be shortened by 5 cm (arrow 1). The wheel arch thus fits the 3rd axis. The rear wall is drilled out, shortened and the rear wall of the better tub riveted.

At first I thought that I would then separate the rear part at arrow 2 (directly above the 3rd axis).
(yes, I know the picture is upside down ... but that's how the tub is right around;))

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At the other end, the wheel arch must be changed (arrow 4).
And with arrow 3 (exactly above the middle axis) the cut is made again.

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And then all you have to do is insert a 91 cm intermediate piece at arrow 5.

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But then I did it a little differently.
I did not place the separation point over the axes but exactly between the axes. So I could save the intermediate piece.


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Re: some exotic Stage 1 in Germany

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The Sandy is 5 cm shorter from the 3rd axis to the rear than a 109. When I put the wheel arch backwards. I come into the area of the storage box. Changing this leads to many rivets on the outer skin. So the 5 cm must be gone at the back.
So put on the swing saw and drill

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Then modify the wheel arches for reinstallation.

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All of this will later be riveted "inside" (without any significant loss of stability!). Only two additional rivets will be visible on the outer skin.
The preparation of the rear wall is the next step.

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The rear wall is fitted again :D

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Rear wall riveted / glued again.

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Now mark the next separation points and swing the vibrating saw.

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If you look optimistically, you could say that the rear tub is already ½ finished
The rear wheel cut already fits.

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Unfortunately the brackets to fix the tub were removed. (They weren't used for the platform). The things were in one of the many boxes.
So everything was aligned, the beautiful paint on the rear crossbar was partially sanded down and the things welded on again.

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Frank

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Re: some exotic Stage 1 in Germany

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This is great reading. It's good to see that the HCPU went to a good owner.

The driveline is very interesting. Quite different to the way Perentie did it.

Do you have the air bags?
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Re: some exotic Stage 1 in Germany

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disco2hse wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:18 am This is great reading.
hello Alan

thank you, I'm glad that you like my contribution.

disco2hse wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:18 am The driveline is very interesting. Quite different to the way Perentie did it.
The solution in Perentie is clearly the technically better one. The car drives considerably better on the road with the 3rd axle switched off. The Perentie solution offers a switchable 3rd axis.

disco2hse wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:18 am Do you have the air bags?
When you say airbags, you mean the rubber springs.

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Yes, I have. But I swapped them for softer ones. Because of the very high payload, the car hops empty and hardly bounces. I don't need the high payload.
... from the right the originals on the central axis or the 3rd axis.
I now have the 3rd from the right on the central axis and the very small one at the back.


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Re: some exotic Stage 1 in Germany

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Yes, the Perentie is military grade. It also meant that to have a PTO winch, they needed to make the lower PTO output. It makes for a lot to be running off the engine. I imagine too that the Perentie design allows for more movement and articulation and not just weight carrying.

I actually thought air bags like some early One Tens had installed here. But I have seen those infrequently. They are not common here.
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Re: some exotic Stage 1 in Germany

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disco2hse wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:23 am I actually thought air bags like some early One Tens had installed here. But I have seen those infrequently. They are not common here.
Ah, you really mean air bags, something like that:

https://www.airbagworld.com.au/ride-rite-kit/

The rubber springs were originally installed in the Sandringham. But they do a good job.
disco2hse wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:23 am Yes, the Perentie is military grade. It also meant that to have a PTO winch, they needed to make the lower PTO output. It makes for a lot to be running off the engine. I imagine too that the Perentie design allows for more movement and articulation and not just weight carrying.
You're absolutely right, I know what I'm talking about ...

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