Mudflaps

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Bug4029
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Mudflaps

Post by Bug4029 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:59 am

Hi,

Are the Stage 1 V8 mudflaps specific or generic LWB S3? I've also seen the logo in yellow or uncoloured, is there a right and wrong for Stage 1 production?

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George

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Re: Mudflaps

Post by Geoff » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:23 pm

Press photos at the time of Stage 1 production show them all with rear mudflaps with the Land Rover lettering and the Station Wagons at least with front wheel mudflaps as well. As most of these photos are not colour it's not possible to know if the lettering is yellow or white, but I believe yellow is the older and probably the original on Stage Ones. I have them of each on my two vehicles, but I don't know that the white is original. What I do know is that the brackets for them are Stage 1 specific, and expensive and hard to come by now:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brand-New-La ... 1438.l2649

Not sure that the mudflaps themselves are Stage 1 specific as only the front ones are given a part number in the parts book separate from the brackets (and only the LHS one of those is given separate numbers for the 109V8 and the 4 cylinder) - to confuse matters further, the parts book's only page showing the mudflaps appears to be just for the HCPU, when clearly the flaps were fitted to many other models.

What I am sure of is that any NOS flaps from this period are now hard to find and expensive. I paid £138 3 years ago to replace my yellow lettered ones and they were not Stage 1 specific but fitted the original brackets fine:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2011&p=12357&hilit=mudflaps#p12357

And I even managed to defray some of the cost by selling the one surviving worn one on ebay to a guy in Italy!

I now confidently await someone telling me I'm wrong about some of this. But does anyone care enough to bother?
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Re: Mudflaps

Post by Geoff » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:05 pm

Just looked at James Taylor's Land Rover Series 3 Specification Guide and he definitely says Series 3 mudflap lettering was yellow and the white was later 90/110. He says, "On 109s, the left-hand rear flap had to be cut during fitting to go round the exhaust." This isn't the case for the 109V8 exhaust though. He also refers to the two different types of bracket and describes the difference without saying one is for the Stage 1, but the parts book does. I am always coming across differences for the Stage 1 and wondering what the reason for it is - and sometimes if indeed there is any reason or it just is.
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Re: Mudflaps

Post by Bug4029 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:21 pm

That all makes sense. I'm guessing that 109 V8s used the 88 rear mudflaps to avoid the unnecessary notch. I've also seen the Land Rover logo is black (uncoloured).

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George

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Re: Mudflaps

Post by Geoff » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:45 pm

I think the black is later still than the white (also later when all the paint has worn off!)

If you mean the notch in the LHS bracket, the one on ebay doesn't have one, but the LHS brackets on both my vehicles do, and I highly doubt they are not original. Who knows? - who cares? - the rubber flap covers it anyway. I understand Land Rover had a habit of using whatever was available in the factory that would work in the way of parts if they'd temporarily run out of the 'correct' ones, and that can account for a good many anomalies. (If you meant the notch in the rubber flap, that had to be cut by the fitter to go round the individual 109 vehicle's exhaust, and only when necessary, so not on the V8. According to James Taylor, that was because production tolerances were too wide to cut it out earlier)
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Re: Mudflaps

Post by map1275 » Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:42 am

It depends on precisely what model and destined market you have. Otherwise the general question is pointless.
In many markets rear mudflaps were mandated. In Australia this was blue on white LA part with brackets welded to the rear outriggers for all later Series III.

Fronts are at least are the common B-Leyland/Unipart plain unmarked black with painted bracketry. They are an ordinary fit. Present repros appear quite accurate save for being galvanised instead of painted.

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Re: Mudflaps

Post by disco2hse » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:43 pm

Whereas in New Zealand, mud flaps are not required (they are optional) and you rarely see them here on Series III's. Part of the reason was that they get in the way in soft mud (which we have a lot of :D).
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